A Defense of Singing Songs from Bethel and Hillsong
August 6, 2021 45 CommentsPerhaps you saw an article that appeared online recently in which Mackenzie Morgan, a worship leader at Refine Church in Lascassas, Tennessee, announced that she and her church would no longer sing songs that come from Bethel Church in California or Hillsong Church in Australia. After examining some of the teaching from both Bethel and Hillsong, she concluded that to sing any song that originated with or was composed by someone from either of these local churches was dangerous.
Morgan insists that when it comes to corporate singing in church, “theology matters.” “It matters,” she says, “if a song is weak in theology and is not accurately displaying the Holiness of our God.” I couldn’t agree more.
Here at my church, Bridgeway, we are intensely careful never to sing error. If a song is in any way inconsistent with Scripture, we don’t sing it, no matter who wrote it or how much we might like the melody.
Morgan is also bothered by the fact that in singing the songs of Bethel and Hillsong “royalties” are being paid to them, and in this we are tacitly subsidizing and spreading “their false gospel message.” She continues:
“What if the majority of the church is leading its people astray singing music that is less than worthy of a Sovereign and Holy God? Would God be pleased with the lights? With the smoke machines? With the obsession of hands in the air and ‘response’ from the crowd? With loud worship nights singing songs He doesn’t approve of?”
So let me go on the record in this regard. I don’t like the strobe lights that so often are used in church worship sets. I refuse to make use of smoke machines. But I’m puzzled by the reference to the raising of hands. Has she not read Scripture’s many references to this practice? Has she not considered the deeply symbolic and spiritual nature of not only this but of other physical postures in worship? I’m curious: Does a person’s stiff, statuesque posture, with hands firmly at one’s side or stuffed into one’s pockets honor God more than those that are lifted in praise?
And should we not expect a “response” from the crowd? I read in Scripture of shouts of joy and declarations of “Holy, holy, holy”, and affirmations of thanksgiving, among others. And what is the alternative to “loud worship nights”? Quiet or soft worship days? And as I said, no one is endorsing songs of which God wouldn’t “approve.”
Be assured of this. In no way do I endorse or turn a blind eye to the scandals that have rocked Hillsong in recent days. In no way do I endorse certain ministry methods that are employed at a variety of churches that artificially stir up emotions as an end in themselves or manipulate people into behaviors or experiences that lack biblical sanction. Every church, be it Bethel, Hillsong, or Bridgeway as well (including Refine Church in Tennessee), needs to labor more vigorously to tether our teachings and practices to the inspired Word of God.
But let’s go straight to the point. Because this lady believes that some of what Bethel and Hillsong teach is unbiblical, no other church should make use of the music composed or sung there. She also insists that we should “read their church’s doctrine and see what they preach, teach, and believe. But don’t stop there. Don’t compare it to your traditions or what you think is right. Compare it with Scripture. Scripture is the ultimate authority. Not me, not your pastor, not the world, only God. There are no gray areas in God’s Word.”
So, I did just that. Bethel’s statement of faith is profoundly evangelical and orthodox and consistent with the historic creeds of Christianity. They affirm the Trinity, the inspiration and authority of the Bible, the incarnation and virgin birth of Jesus Christ, his substitutionary death on the cross, bodily resurrection, and ascension into heaven. They explicitly declare that Jesus is “true God” and “true man.”
They further affirm that we are saved by grace through faith in the person and work of Jesus. Bethel was at one time affiliated with the Assemblies of God, and yet their statement on the issue of Spirit baptism differs from that denomination’s viewpoint. Here is what they say:
“The baptism of the Holy Spirit, according to Acts 1:4-8 and 2:4, is poured out on believers that they might have God’s power to be His witnesses.”
Nothing is said about speaking in tongues being the initial, physical evidence of Spirit baptism. They do appear to believe that this experience is separate from and subsequent to conversion, but even then the language is a bit ambiguous. And let us not forget that although I and many evangelical charismatics believe baptism in the Spirit occurs simultaneous with conversion, the doctrine of “separate and subsequent” has been and still is embraced by numerous Christian denominations within the Pentecostal world, and is ably (even if not persuasively) defended by countless biblical scholars who minister in that tradition. We may disagree with their view on this point, but it is very much a secondary, perhaps even tertiary, doctrine. It is hardly a hill to die on.
They also believe in the Second Coming of Christ and the eternality of both heaven and hell.
One statement that clearly needs greater clarification is this:
“We believe the victorious, redemptive work of Christ on the cross provides freedom from the power of the enemy – sin, lies, sickness, and torment.”
I also believe this, but the question of when complete freedom from “sickness” is to be expected needs to be clearly stated. But note well: there is nothing in the statement that affirms the “Word of Faith” movement and its beliefs or the so-called “Health and Wealth Gospel.” If anyone at Bethel teaches these notions, it is not because they are acting in conformity with the church’s official statement of faith.
And there is a lengthy, thoroughly biblical defense in their statement concerning the historic and traditional biblical sex ethic, in which marriage is designed solely for one woman and one man. As for homosexuality and transgenderism, I can’t recall ever reading a more clearly defined and thoroughly biblical perspective on those issues.
I’m baffled by how or on what basis Morgan accuses them of preaching a “false gospel.” They preach salvation by grace alone in Christ alone through faith alone. They tether their hope of eternal life on trust in the sinless life, sacrificial, atoning death, and bodily resurrection of Jesus.
If some in Bethel or Hillsong believe in the so-called “prosperity” gospel, they are, of course, in error. But as grievous as that error may be (and is), it is not damning. Those who embrace that view are not, for that reason, consigned to eternal condemnation.
Now, are there certain other ministry practices embraced by Bethel that I find questionable and without explicit biblical support? Yes. But those do not make them heretical or deserving of cynical disdain. If more time were spent by Bethel’s critics praying for them than is given to writing hyper-critical reviews, perhaps such practices would diminish over time. Let me at the same time say that we should pray just as fervently for Morgan and those who agree with her article. I’m reminded of Paul’s exhortation to the church in Rome. We would all do well to heed his counsel:
“May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to live in such harmony with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus, that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” (Rom. 15:5-6).
I also followed Morgan’s advice and read Hillsong’s Statement of Beliefs (I wonder, did she?). Aside from one or two minor, secondary, doctrinal differences (Hillsong is affiliated with Australian Christian Churches, a traditionally Pentecostal denomination), it is thoroughly evangelical and orthodox. Do I agree with all that is done in the context of their worship services? No. It may not be my “style” nor that of Morgan’s, but that doesn’t make them heretical. It just means they are different, and perhaps unwise. But in numerous other ways, aren’t we all?
Morgan says that she will not sing songs that are not “worthy of a sovereign and Holy God.” Good for her. I agree. And I hope you wouldn’t ever sing such songs either. And if songs are composed by someone from Bethel or Hillsong that are beneath the dignity of our great Triune God, don’t sing them. But I challenge anyone to closely examine the lyrics of these songs, all of which were composed by someone in Bethel or Hillsong or related to them in close friendship or some other ministry alliance (such as Jesus Culture), and tell me they are dangerous, unbiblical, or not worthy of who God is and what he has done. Here is a small sampling:
“God, I look to you”
“Goodness of God”
“King of Kings”
“O Praise the Name!”
“Raise a Hallelujah!”
“No Longer Slaves”
“Living Hope”
“Jesus, We Love You”
“Ever Be”
“New Wine”
“This is Amazing Grace”
“Worthy is the Lamb”
“Cornerstone”
“Seas of Crimson”
“Outrageous Love”
“Abba”
“One Thing Remains”
“For the Cross”
“Man of Sorrows”
“Holy Spirit (You are Welcome Here)”
“Lead me to the Cross”
“Lion and the Lamb”
“Fall Afresh”
“Shout to the Lord”
“All Hail, King Jesus”
I will go on record and say that God is profoundly honored and exalted by each of these songs.
“Oh, but Sam. We disagree with some of their secondary doctrines. Won’t our singing of these songs communicate to people that we endorse what some in their churches believe? And we have to pay royalties to sing those songs. Aren’t we contributing to the spread of their errors?”
No. Folks, I plead with you: Don’t let cancel culture come to church! You may differ with Bethel and Hillsong in some (perhaps many) of their ministry practices. So do I. But we will sing with these people around the throne of the Lamb for eternity. They are our brothers and sisters in Christ. Surely, you are not prepared to denounce them as unregenerate, unbelievers because they don’t toe the line on every doctrine that you embrace.
What about Morgan’s concern that by singing the songs of Bethel and Hillsong we are paying royalties to these churches? Well, let me ask Morgan and others a question or two.
Where will you draw the line on where and to whom you will allow your money to go? I dare say that you will find it difficult to survive in our world if you refuse to participate in or make use of something, be it a song, a book, or a product, simply because you fear that by doing so you are promoting and indirectly subsidizing what you regard as unbiblical.
Should I throw away all the books in my library that were written by Jewish scholars because they reject Jesus as the Messiah? I’m talking about books with profound and instructive insights into the OT and other historical and textual issues. Have you ever purchased such books? Should you?
What about the numerous scholarly resources that are of tremendous help in our understanding of the biblical languages, backgrounds, and cultural contexts? Must I dispense with the multi-volume Anchor Bible Dictionary because a few of its contributors are likely not born again?
Have you refused to do your shopping at Kroger and Target because they are decidedly pro LGBTQ? Does not your purchase of their products indirectly support that movement?
Have you refused to take your kids to Disney World because of their widely public and visible stance on same-sex marriage?
Do you carefully avoid purchasing gas for your car from those stations who obtain their products from oil companies that fund Planned Parenthood?
Do you continue to read novels and other books written by decidedly non-Christian authors, lest by purchasing their works you contribute to their unbiblical lifestyle?
Have you stopped singing “A Mighty Fortress is our God” because its author, Martin Luther, made horrific anti-Semitic statements in his later years?
Do you make use of Facebook and Twitter, two companies owned and operated by unbelievers who support both LGBTQ and abortion causes?
And do you refuse to make use of songs written by Matt Maher or John Michael Talbot insofar as they are Roman Catholic?
Should we refuse to sing “It is Well with My Soul” because the author of its lyrics, Horatio Spafford, eventually denied the existence of hell, affirmed universalism and purgatory, and was guilty of multiple instances of fraudulent financial dealings?
Shall we never again read books by Jonathan Edwards or sermons by George Whitefield because both of them at one time owned slaves?
If someone within the Churches of Christ wrote an otherwise biblically based worship song, would you refuse to sing it in your church because they affirm water baptism as necessary for the forgiveness of sins?
In no way do I even remotely endorse the errors of these I’ve just mentioned, but to refuse to sing thoroughly biblical worship songs they wrote lest we be somehow tainted or defiled in doing so is both impractical and absurd and will only lead to a legalistic and Pharisaical local church culture.
It is virtually impossible in our day to travel, shop, participate, or in some manner support groups or companies or individuals that don’t violate our biblical standards of truth and morality. If you choose to “cancel” everyone who differs with you on some matter of doctrine or ministry practice, out of concern that your money will subsidize their errors, you will end up encased in your own echo chamber, isolated and alone, pridefully patting yourself on the back for being among the remnant who “get it right”.
I, for one, will instead continue to remain rigorously biblical in what I preach and how I sing, but do so without castigating and/or cancelling other Christians who happen to differ with me on some secondary issue or ministry style.
45 Comments
Steve Naum Aug 31, 2021 @ 6:27 pm
Zach Broom Aug 26, 2021 @ 11:10 am
= Sam's article.
Ross Chaffin Aug 24, 2021 @ 11:02 am
The fact that it is -this- post, and not any of Sam's others, which has caused certain parts of the far-right-evangelical Internet to brigade Sam's blog for literal weeks is telling and completely predictable. It is also incredibly disheartening for those, like me, who are desperate to see a spark of light in the bleak darkness which is modern evangelicalism in America.
Come, Lord Jesus.
Eric Newton Aug 23, 2021 @ 8:33 am
Michael Porter Aug 21, 2021 @ 8:39 am
Dane Ortlund Aug 14, 2021 @ 9:19 am
John Aug 13, 2021 @ 1:56 pm
Paul Corathers Aug 11, 2021 @ 10:56 pm
Jaeson Aug 11, 2021 @ 7:11 am
The music of Bethel contains their theology, which is warped. As someone who attended a NAR church, and whose relatives are still heavily into it (and some are at Bethel) I can tell you it is NOT the gospel. The music is used to lure people in with its fancy sound, great production, awesome singers. Then you read the lyrics which say things about God that are not found in scripture. They also say things about us that are not found in scripture. In addition, many of their songs don't even mention Jesus, they could just be pop music if no one knew any better. It makes Jesus, and God your boyfriend. While I'm sure this appeals to seeker-sensitives and genZ types, it is not how God is portrayed in the scripture. When their songs speak of us as believers, they are always heavy on power acquisition and being a special snowflake. These are not ideas taught in scripture. It reinforces pride.
Penn Hayden Aug 11, 2021 @ 4:57 am
When David wrote the Psalms, Father God didn't require that he write only words and phrases that come from Moses' writings (the Torah). David wrote out of the overflow of his love, raw and transparent. He wrote many types of Psalms - ones that were pure emotion and also ones that were just about the Glory and Majesty of God. We're worshiping to an audience of One.
I'm a worship singer/songwriter. When I write my heart or sing out praises to Him, Jesus is looking at my heart. Just as earthly parents love the heartfelt drawing that they're little child colored for them in love, and they displays it on the fridge proudly without picking apart all the places they colored "out of the lines," so Papa God doesn't pick apart our honest, raw worship to Him nor is He troubled because all the t's haven't been crossed or i's dotted in some perfect theology. He's looking at the love and adoration that's being poured out upon Him.
Nor is He thinking, "Ohh, no no, you're dancing FAR too much!" or "Please, don't lift your hands to me, I can hardly stand it!".....Jesus looks at our heart and absolutely loves a sold-out lover of Jesus who doesn't care who's watching them. Jesus is just as pleased with a simple "I love you, Jesus" sung over and over as He is with a more traditional hymn that speaks about the Cross.
Mackenzie and others cannot and do not know the heart. Jesus spoke about the spirit of cancel culture in the church - "The time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing a holy service to God."....Hmmm....a holy service to God. Cancel them! Remove their songs! Stop paying them royalties! Make their churches crumble! It's our duty and will bless God! We're just trying to protect God's holiness!!!.
I don't believe God's holiness needs protection. Nor did he create us to all conform to the exact same demonstration of creative worship to Him. I looked at the web links Mackenzie had on her article to her "approved" worship music and writers. There were a few songs I would sing and a lot that I didn't care for lol.....Music is subjective.
God bless, Sam (and I'm not a Calvinist as you are....but we can be at peace with each other! How about that! Isn't God good?"
Michael Aug 10, 2021 @ 11:06 pm
Bethel’s BSSM student exports in my area do not allow any discussion on their interpretation of what Bethel has taught them. Is shutting down discussion of items that would be heretical a problem to consider?
Examples:
- teaching that because we can do all that Jesus can do as a man empowered by the Holy Spirit results in the BSSM student proclaiming they forgave someone’s sins?
- teaching to go off the map can enable private interpretation of scripture that ignores a true reading of the text?
Is this considered heretical teaching by extension or just bad fruit?
Michael Aug 10, 2021 @ 10:53 pm
When is there a point where you say - I can sing their songs, but I wouldn’t follow them as a movement and certainly not follow their teaching? (Biblical standard?)
I suspect you feel that way about them by your thinly veiled comments about not agreeing with their teaching on healing in the here and now and ‘other practices’
Bottom line: would you send your kids or grandkids to Bethels BSSM?
When you reviewed their statement of faith, did you look at their bylaws we’re an “Apostolic Intervention Committee” can overrule their Church Elders?
Do you consider the book “Physics of Heaven” orthodox and poor teaching or???
Thanks in advance for your help!
Nan Aug 10, 2021 @ 8:55 pm
Ruth Chen Aug 10, 2021 @ 6:50 pm
Thank you for seeing clearly, for warning us of the logs in our own eyes that can lead us to grievous errors as we attempt to take a splinter out of a brother's. So many confuse faithfulness to scripture with conformity to certain theological expressions and approaches. Secondary distinctives are elevated to the level of truth and unity is discarded in the process. Just from this article, you have stood out from our culture in two radical ways: you treated the matter with reason and nuance, instead of presumptuous broad strokes; you took a stand and said something when you must know that your intentions would be misunderstood and your words misconstrued.
Christians leaders like you, Francis Chan, Mike Bickle and many others give me hope and encourage me to pursue truth and unity in a climate where both are under attack.
Zach Broom Aug 10, 2021 @ 11:33 am
Sam, you really need to educate yourself here. Your “ecumenical humility” is nothing but negligence of your pastoral duties to guard the sheep from the wolves.
This is one of my chief concerns with continuationism, while we don’t need to separate over it per say, you appear to be unable to close the door on even the heretical extremes like the NAR / WOF.
That’s a problem.
Rachel Aug 10, 2021 @ 2:02 am
David Aug 9, 2021 @ 5:16 pm
Bart Aug 9, 2021 @ 9:24 am
Second video is of Bill Johnson and other self proclaimed "Apostles" slam a wooden staff similar to Gandalfs from Lord of the Rings on a stage saying they are declaring an end to racism. Sam, these are full grown men and women doing this. How can you possibly defend them? This is just the tip of the iceberg, there's so much more bad theology and practices coming from Bethel alone that would take months to read and watch! I don't care if you're a continuationist but your endorsement of them is a tragedy and shows that you really should have done more research on them than just reading their sof.
Lawrence Chee Aug 9, 2021 @ 8:02 am
Paul Mark Lacerna Aug 8, 2021 @ 10:33 pm
Another one is: While I agree that we should cancel any song that would dishonor God and his Word, but we need to be careful lest we find ourselves damning their own brethren. We need to qualify that. Sadly, Cancel Culture is the norm of today's Church. That's alarming.
If you don't like Bethel or Hillsong, why not Compose your own Songs that are in accordance to the Biblical Doctrines of the Evangelical Faith expressed in 5 SOLAS and the Creeds. I love the way Sovereign Grace Music compose their songs.
Brianna Monique Williams Aug 8, 2021 @ 1:58 pm
We don’t know each other. I think this article proves a lack of thorough research and is really opinion based.
The only research that was done to was to check Bethel’s website and to test them according to one Worship Leader’s opinion to test scripture.
Did you interview anyone who left the New Apostolic Reformation? Did you research some of the books and products that the church leaders of Bethel and Hillsong produce? And have you looked at the lyrics to their songs line by line and really test it against scripture?
For example in “Raise a Hallelujah” they sing “Your melody comes to fight for me” as if it is a weapon? How deaf people experience God fight for them? And we could say it is symbolic but take it from someone who was friends with one of the BSSM students… and who was associated with people who took it literal. When they would face what they considered a battle, they would go into a room and shut the door, blast the worship music and sing God’s praises believing their worship was activating God’s angels to fight for them and remove the obstacle before them.
Or their song, “Holy Spirit (You’re Welcome Here)”… why are we inviting the Holy Spirit to come dwell with us when He already dwells inside believers?
Also, Bethel teaches Sozo Prayer— unbiblical. They have teaching in the Enneagram— demonic. They have a book their Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry must read “The Physics of Heaven”— which literally discusses exploring New Age practices and taking them back to use them in Jesus’s name. That’s blasphemous.
And I have an ex-friend that got sucked into heresy because of the worship music, where the worship leader would sometimes be guest speakers and their speeches led to watching Bill Johnson who can’t preach God’s word to save his soul.
And Steven Furtick, wants his music and worship experience to be catchy so people will hear his preaching, he has said on the record.
So it’s just selfish to say the music is okay and to act like we’re not endorsing a false gospel when we sing those songs.
Like, I can only imagine people blessed by the songs who are in sound doctrine churches, amen that God doesn’t let a little heresy keep Him from His children who are truly seeking Him.
Feel free to check out my interview with Doreen Virtue on Steven Furtick and Word of Faith and why I left… I also have a series on my blog, category: “Confessions of Valor Alumna” that discusses why we should never support heresy by any means.
And lastly, the church definitely supports canceling what doesn’t honor God. We are to be set apart from the World. We should have the desire to honor God, not ourselves, and Bethel and Hillsong are only seeker-sensitive driven.
gladys Aug 8, 2021 @ 9:27 am
Amy Aug 8, 2021 @ 8:13 am
SH Aug 8, 2021 @ 4:12 am
Jedidiah W Aug 8, 2021 @ 1:48 am
First, the conclusion doesn't even follow from the premises presented in the body. Sam makes the conclusion that we should sing songs from Hillsong and Bethel because we give to companies like Disney that supports LGBT positions anyway. Further, the amount of time spent on reviewing doctrinal statements and concluding that they are sound, and therefore the songs are sound, is "beating the strawman". Statements can check out on paper but if there is a consistent heterodox teaching by lead pastors as commenters have provided examples of (and which Sam seems to be ignorant of), then statements are irrelevant. These are issues with theology and versions of the true gospel, not "secondary issues" or "ministry styles".
Second, Sam's opinion that prosperity gospel does not lead to eternal condemnation is disturbing. If we don't believe in the right gospel (Col 1:25, Jude 1:3, 1 Cor 15:3) then what are we putting our hope in? As much as Sam hopes to, songs cannot be separated from the social contexts they are produced and performed in. This is why its easy to observe a pattern of certain churches singing these songs and having similar aesthetics (smoke machines, strobes). It's simply the case that when we buy into a brand, we are less likely to think critically of it. If you ask many people who enjoy these songs, they'll tell you they enjoy the preaching too. This is why it's just easier to not promote these brand churches at all by avoiding these songs.
Finally, as a Gen Z it's frustrating to see how Millenials and Boomers try to understand cancel culture. Dropping words like "cancel" and "Pharisaical" to build rapport among those of a similar generation betrays a misunderstanding of the social phenomenon that is cancel culture. Thinking critically and critical theory was around long before cancel culture became a thing, and even practiced in the church. You could say Jesus was "cancelling" the Pharasees and merchants in the temple. Surely thinking critically and erring on the side of caution when it comes to matters of teaching the faith (which singing does) through careful song selection is important and should not be dismissed as "cancelling". One should be careful to notice whenever the term "cancelling" is dropped as a convenient way of dissuading vigorous debate.
There are a wealth of rich, theologically less controversial songs out there today. There are few reasons to choose contentious songs from contentious churches, other than superficial ones like "they sound good". So other than creating fuel for people who love these songs, churches and inevitably heterodox theology, who will share this article on social media to defend their entrenched beliefs that worship songs should be cool, I'm not sure what the point of this article was.
Jenni Aug 8, 2021 @ 12:23 am
Dina Aug 8, 2021 @ 12:10 am
Mackenzie Morgan Aug 7, 2021 @ 7:26 pm
God bless,
Mackenzie
Ashley Aug 7, 2021 @ 6:06 pm
#inwardwitness
Wayne Powell Aug 7, 2021 @ 4:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF96C8vg3PU&list=PLwZ6vhBCodsdzj3jdJT6M5wgbcV-UXIGN&index=9
Heather Aug 7, 2021 @ 3:52 pm
Jeza Gray Aug 7, 2021 @ 3:40 pm
Sam Storms Aug 7, 2021 @ 3:21 pm
First, I also believe Jesus lived, ministered, taught, and performed his miracles as a man depending on the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit. This doesn’t mean he wasn’t simultaneously God. He most assuredly was. But he temporarily suspended the independent exercise of his divine power in order to demonstrate the kind of life that God desires of us, one in which we live in constant dependence on the Holy Spirit. You can read my defense of this in my book, Tough Topics 2, titled, “How did Jesus perform his miracles?”
Second, I don’t know what you mean in saying Johnson says that Jesus was “reborn.” I’ve never seen or heard this from him.
Third, yes, Christ’s death was designed to secure physical healing for us. Whether that happens now in part or in fullness at the consummation, where else would our healing come from if not from the cross of Christ? Check out Matthew 8 where his healing of Peter’s mother-in-law is in fulfillment of Isaiah 53.
Fourth, miracles, healing, and prophecy do not add to the gospel. They are the fruit of it. If you are opposed to such works of the Spirit, what will you do with 1 Corinthians 12-14 and other texts that speak of these gifts?
Fifth, if a person does not preach the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit in bringing freedom and healing to us, what else would one call this but a message of “weakness”?
Sixth, I also believe the Spirit can work through the sacrament of the bread and wine. His presence in awakening us to the blessings of the cross of Christ, via the elements of the Lord’s Supper, is a wonderful work of God for undeserving sinners. You say they say it is “why we should partake.” But where do they say it is the only reason we should partake? It may be one justifiable reason, but that is not to say that it is the only reason.
Seventh, and finally, I don’t care for the Passion “translation.” It is more an expanded paraphrase and the principles that guide its production are bothersome to me.
But for you to say there is no difference between what Bethel believes and what Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Roman Catholics believe is surely a slanderous misrepresentation and one of which you should immediately repent.
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Mike McMacken Aug 7, 2021 @ 1:36 pm
Sam thankyou for being a bridge of truth and love. Unity and healing comes through men like you
I have such wonderful memories of you and Ann in the days of Grace training center.
I still Ann's words something is happening in Toronto, just after she got of the phone with the airport vineyard fellowship. I remember when you stopped the whole conference in Kansas City and asked all to pray for me as I had a brain tumor. Thank you my friend coming into my life and bringing and depositing more of the revelation of Jesus into me. I run this race harder because of you.
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